Calaeb Campbell is the head women’s volleyball coach at Ursuline College. Ursuline College is a NCAA Division II institution located in Pepper Pike, OH. Ursuline College is a member of the Great Midwest Athletic Conference alongside other schools such as: Hillsdale College, Tiffin University, and Walsh College. 

Campbell attended Tennessee Tech where he graduated in 2013 with his Bachelor of Arts degree in Multidisciplinary Studies and Exercise Science. While at Tennessee Tech, he played club volleyball and served as the team's libero and earned Best Defensive Player each season. Prior to coming to Ursuline College, he worked at a Division I Youngstown State University where he served as an Assistant Coach and Recruiting Coordinator for the 2018 season.

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Calaeb Campbell: Head Women’s Volleyball Coach at Ursuline College.

Topic 1: Coaching Background

Campbell was born and raised in the state of Tennessee and grew up watching his sister play volleyball in high school. He started to fall in love with the sport through watching her play. When he went to college, he began playing on the club team at Tennessee Tech. He began coaching club and high school level volleyball, and eventually moved his way up to college coaching.

Topic 2: Favorite Recruiting Story

Calaeb finds the entire recruiting process to be very rewarding. Calaeb tells a funny story from when he was setting up a phone call for the head coach at Youngstown State, and accidentally called the wrong player. His favorite recruiting story was a time he was recruiting a set of twins. Calaeb says he loves to communicate with people and found this to be a very rewarding aspect of the recruiting process. 

Topic 3: Recruiting Tips ​

The other day, Calaeb received an email from a player of interest, and her email is what he would describe as the perfect email. He says this email included the players playing history, her information, what she was looking for in a school and then some fun facts about her as a person. Calaeb says he thinks it's important that athletes personalize their emails to the specific school they are sending it to. 

Topic 4: Email Tips

Calaeb says for his institution, specifically send an email to him expressing why you are interested in Ursuline. This aspect is very important, and he urges athletes to send quality videos to him, showcasing what they do best.   

Topic 5: DII Contact Rules

Calaeb says that June 15th of your junior year is when DII coaches can begin to reach out to athletes. Calaeb encourages athletes to reach out to him even before he is able to respond to them, just so he knows their name when June 15th comes around. He also reminds athletes to not give up if they haven't received a response right away. 

Topic 6: Success: Mental Toughness or Talent?

Campbell says the perfect example is to combine both mental toughness and talent, to an athletes advantage. However, sometimes it doesn't work out that easy. He believes that if two teams are competitively the same, talent wise, it is going to come down to the teams mental toughness. Campbell also reminds athletes that although not everyone can be a starter, everyone's roll on a team is important to success.  

Topic 7: Mount Rushmore of Volleyball ​

Calaeb’s top four picks are: Jordan Larson, Kerri Walsh, Misty May and Inky Ajanaku. He tells us how all of these players are great leaders who have paved the way in women’s volleyball. 

Topic 8: Favorite Gym Played In

Calaeb says that he appreciates where he began his volleyball career, so he would have to pick his alma mater, Tennessee Tech. He says it is a huge arena and it feels very lively with the fans they draw in, and the overall atmosphere. 

Topic 9: Top 5 Moment ​

It was Calaeb’s second year coaching club, when he went to a qualifier with 8 girls on his roster. During the game, two of his players went down and he ended up only having 6 players, and his libero had to play outside. His team ended up winning in the third set, eventually making it to the semi-final match in that tournament. 

Topic 10: Not Top 5 Moment

At a preseason tournament, one of his players had a shoe fall off as she was going to block. The second shoe later fell off during the same moment. He described it as mass chaos, with people falling down and losing shoes.

It is always heartwarming to hear how a coach got into coaching, and Calaeb Campbell's experience is a great one. 

Full Transcript:

Jess Gregory  

Alright. Hello, everyone. Today I am here with Calaeb Campbell. He is the head women's volleyball coach at ursuline College out in Ohio. How are things out there with you, Caleb?

Calaeb Campbell  

Things are well here. You know, it's a beautiful day outside, a little chillier than, you know, normal here, but we're getting by well, and it seems that things are hopefully slowing down and hopefully we can get back in the gym pretty soon here. Hopefully Fingers crossed here in the near future. So

Jess Gregory  

yeah, absolutely. Do you guys have any kind of plans on? Have they told you anything at the School of what you guys can do yet or no,

Calaeb Campbell  

not at this time specifically, you know, one of the beauties of ursuline itself is we are a private liberal arts college and our student population is a little smaller than most right. So we are super optimistic about that, you know, with the transition that our professors and faculty have done with becoming online only at this time, you know, there's been communications of potentially having online and in person classes so we don't have it for sure date, but we're definitely optimistic with a lot of the cool fun things that we have over the summer, specifically with us for camps. Or just events that are happening on campus. We're hoping, hoping to be able to get those back up and running as soon as possible.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens. I guess I know every state's a little bit different. Every every school kind of has their own rules too. So we'll kind of see how that goes. Fingers crossed. All right, so um, Caleb, I would love to learn more about you. So can you share your coaching background with us and kind of let us know how you ended up in Ursuline?

Calaeb Campbell  

Absolutely. So I I'm born and raised in the state of Tennessee. I grew up there and watch my sister play High School volleyball. She was a three sport athlete, so she was playing volleyball, basketball and softball. And so I kind of fell in love with the sport itself through her. You know, she and I, even till this day are still the biggest pepper partners ever. She's a mom of four but whenever I go visit she and the kids. She's like, Hey, can we go outside and pepper for a little bit? It's just like, nostalgic for both of us, right? So it was her that kind of got me involved. With the sport, I played basketball as well and high school and in middle school and she was my ride home. So we had to stick around for her practice my brother and I. And so I was like, Well, if we're going to be here, why not kind of get involved and learn a little bit more about the sport. So that's kind of how I got involved, started keeping score for the high school team and then went off to college and I had the opportunity to play for the men's club team at Tennessee Tech University back where I grew up and went there. So I was there I was a little barrel for four years on the men's team. We that was the only the second year my freshman year that they had had a club so we were still learning a lot individually about the sport and understanding a lot of dynamics that are different from me personally to guys volleyball as to women's volleyball, so I did that. At that time. I also was coaching High School and club volleyball. Got involved there and then moved to Nashville for a short stint and coach club in high school there as well. Then came back to tech And was a volunteer assistant there for a year and a half. So I was there with with them and then took my first full time gig at another OVC school at Southeast Missouri State. So I was there with Coach Julie ankus for two years and got some great experience under her right got to experience a lot of great knowledge learning and just growing myself as a recruiter as a coach, and then became the recruiting coordinator at Youngstown State University back in 2018. And I was there with them for a year before taking the head coaching job last April at ursuline. So

Jess Gregory  

nice. Awesome, who was the head coach at Youngstown when you were there?

Calaeb Campbell  

I was with Aleni Scott for a year. So before that, Mark Hardaway was there for a few years before us and so I was with Aleni and she's still there now. So

Jess Gregory  

yeah, nice. Mark was actually my college coach when I played at University of Evansville. So that's why I was wondering who you coached with.

Calaeb Campbell  

Yeah, so I'm quite familiar with him. Of course, he's a Cleveland State now. So we were in the same conference. So great guy. I enjoy chatting with Mark and learning more from him as well. You know, he's been around in the game for a while. So it's always good to have those mentors as well to bounce ideas off and things of that nature.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I played 20 years ago. So he definitely has been around for a while. So, yeah, so alright, so it sounds like you've had a pretty cool ride kind of, you know, learning from different people and coaching at different levels, which I always find interesting that as coaches can't just coach at one level, it's like the you coach the itty bitty's or you're at Club and you're kind of moving around just helping the game grow. So now, can you kind of tell us about one of your favorite recruiting stories, since you've been a recruiting coordinator, and now Head Coach,

Calaeb Campbell  

you know, I think all of the recruiting process across the board is you know, for me is rewarding. Whatever it may be, you know, I think specifically, if I were to think about one in particular, you know, it's actually kind of funny. And then I'll kind of segue into one that maybe is a little bit more has a little bit more emotional attachment to me personally, right. So I was actually at ASU and I had gotten to know this athlete that was super interested in our program. Well, I my my boss wanted to chat with her. Well, I got her who I thought was her on the phone, but had not added her names or contacts. So my boss started talking to her. I had my boss set up with all this great information about who she thought she was talking to. We then go to ask her how the weather is where she's located, and she's like, Oh, it's snowing and my boss is literally writing down. This is the wrong kid, right? As we're having this conversation. I actually have that piece of paper still, like on my court board in my office to always constantly remind me to make sure that I'm communicating to the right person, you know, but that's just like I said, kind of a funny one to talk about it but my favorite by far, I would get While I was actively recruiting a set of twins, and they were very interested in our program, I'm kind of late to the ballgame. And I don't know, I just I feel like that I do a great job of developing relationships with people anyways, people are my way of life. I clearly I don't mind to be communicating with you today, right? It's not a big deal for me. So, for me to be able to take them through that process, I guess, to collaboratively work for them and see the end result of being so appreciative of the, of the process. You know, it's my first set of twins, I now am actively recruiting another set. So it's like, I don't know if it's something that I find attractive as recruiting twins. But I think for me, it's just overall that whole start to finish experience of, of getting to be a part of that relationship and forging relationships with them.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. Well, it is definitely about relationships. It can't just be a one off and there's got to be something built between the two of you, even if you're talking to the wrong player.

Calaeb Campbell  

Absolutely.

Jess Gregory  

Now do you remember what happened to that, that girl?

Calaeb Campbell  

We didn't get her. Um, but it wasn't based upon us not speaking to the right kid. Um, my, my boss at the time did a great job of kind of flipping the conversation and me running from her office to my office to grab more information about the right kids. So she ended up getting another scholarship from another institution she's doing well, I actively do my best to check in on kids that even you know, maybe told me no, just because I enjoy seeing how their success is going and understanding what they're working toward with inside of their programs.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm assuming you probably didn't tell the player that you're talking. So

Calaeb Campbell  

never do that, right. No, not at all right.

Jess Gregory  

Now, can you give some players some tips on the recruiting process and how they can you know, contact coaches and do all that fun stuff.

Calaeb Campbell  

You know, for me I enjoy like getting to know my players outside of volleyball, fun facts, you know, I got an email the other day and it was like, if I were to, like say it was the perfect email, it was the perfect email, you know, she like, gave me a little bit of insight about her Playing career, she gave me an insight on her family, what she was looking for specifically an institution. And then at the very end, she was like, I enjoy mint chocolate chip ice cream, Red Velvet chocolate cake. And this is what I'm watching on Netflix, like, I enjoy being able to, like get to, you know, know those pieces of information about you so that whenever I approach you that I also have something to talk to you about, you know, I think it's also great and and super rewarding if they invest time in learning more about the institutions that they're reaching out to, you know, sometimes for me, whenever I don't get like a, I get a blanket email or like, hey, Coach, you know, and I'm like, Okay, well, this has been blasted out to probably 10 or 12 other schools, you know, I think it's important. Yes, it takes time. But if you're truly invested In the process and want this place to be your home for for the next four years of your life, I think it's very important that you kind of find, hey, like I saw that you had a great win against this team last year or I see that you are you graduated from this place. You know, for me, for instance, I see you graduated from Tennessee Tech back home, I have family that live in Nashville, blah, blah, blah, you know, like, making those connections. For me, those things are very important. I think it's super important to know what you're looking for. If you're looking for a small school, if you're looking for a big school, like that part of the prep process can be so much easier for you if you just take a couple extra seconds right to do some more research. Mm hmm.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, I definitely think it's about finding the right fit. So kids do need to do their homework and kind of figure out why they're emailing you and not just blanketing it out to 700 coaches. And so, I mean, kind of With that being said, then what are some of the specifics that you always look for and then you already mentioned some of the fun things they can add at the end. But are there some specific things that you're like I need to know this in every email?

Calaeb Campbell  

Sure. Um, I think for me like what specifically about my institution kind of that you're looking for, you know, we are very special at ursuline and the fact that we are a women's focused college we are an all girl institution and with something that we take great pride in. So if that is something that you know, we get on a phone call and I, you know, I mentioned to you and you're kind of like shell shocked, you're like, Oh, I didn't know it was a women's focus institution. You know what I'm saying like that, for me is a big thing. You know, I, I enjoy I want video, give me a video, right? But I want quality video that I can actually see you doing things that are going to meet the intangibles, you know, I can watch that whenever I come and see you in the gym. Right? Whenever I get to go back out and recruit I can see your leadership's skills, how you respond to your coaches, how you respond to your teammates. But if I'm looking through just a film that you send over to me a highlight reel or something of that nature. I want to see the things that you would think are Position specific for you, right? Like for somebody that's a DS, I don't really need to see you attacking a ball. If you're wanting to be recruited as a libero DS, I want to see you pass and play defense. And then on the flip side of the coin, if you're a middle, you know, I want to see you block, I want to see you attack, I want to see you transition. If you do serve, that's fantastic. But I've got somebody probably that's going to take care of that job for you. Unless you're just a great server, you know what I'm saying? So, I think it's just knowing the specifics inside of your position that really draw me in, and even having just a little bit of information about you on your video.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, for sure. Now, D two is going to be a little bit different from D three and D, one of other coaches that we've spoken to. So can you kind of touch base on some of those contact rules that maybe kids should be aware of? Can they contact you at any time? Can you contact them at any time? Questions? No, but that we want to share with them?

Calaeb Campbell  

Yeah, sure. So right now of course, it's a little different with the with everything that's going on. On with the crisis in COVID, and things of that nature. But if we were talking just in a normal year, right, so, June 15, of your junior year is when we can specifically reach out to you, of course, to begin those conversations, you know, for, let's say, for 2022, right? So, incoming juniors June 15 is the big day for you, right? So 2020 ones are in full swing 2020s hopefully, you know, we're kind of done with those. And so that for us is kind of the big day, right as June 15. We're getting to be able to have those conversations, get emails together, get text messages together, even getting on the phone as quick as we can, you know, so it's important to us that you know, as much correspondence as you want to have with us, I'd love to hear from you. You know, my assistant, myself have been really trying to do a great job of being present on all of our social media, Alex, so if you don't follow us, Twitter, Instagram, go check us out ursuline volleyball. So we have really been trying just to keep our face out there, you know, and so I definitely encourage you to reach out to us there may be times when You get a very short email back from us, depending on your class, you're just kind of letting you know, hey, at this time, unfortunately, we can't speak to you. But come June 15 of your junior year, we absolutely will be ready to talk to chat with you. You know, I don't think in a sense too much correspondence is too much. If you want to get sought after and seen, I think that it's important that you continue to keep that correspondence up.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. Um, so even if they, you know, you, they can't get a response back from you. But it does sound like you guys are really good at letting them know, like, you're not old enough yet. This is great. They should still be reaching out to coaches and still saying, Hey, I'm interested in your program once I'm ready to be able to get a response to go.

Calaeb Campbell  

Yeah, I mean, you know, of course, sometimes, like if, if I see at 2023 or 2024, like I'm like, Okay, this kid is really overzealous. They're like doing their homework, they're ready to get recruited. I love that. I have a tab in my email. I'll put you right over there. You know, whenever it gets closer to time, it's our job if you actively are doing your job. letting us know that you want to be recruited. I'm gonna do my due diligence, due diligence to make sure that I give you just as much as attention as you'd given our program. I may be different than other people and other coaches. But I think for me, it's just kind of a little bit of southern charm. Maybe if somebody is reaching out to me and want to communicate with me, I'm going to do my best to at least give them some type of response to let them know where I stand. So, yeah,

Jess Gregory  

I should also, you know, let kids know that if they don't hear a know yet, you know, it's not the end of the road. Maybe they may missed it. I know you guys get tons of emails. So there's a possibility that you just missed it or you're not old enough or whatever it is. So until you hear a flat out, please stop emailing me, keep trying.

Calaeb Campbell  

Yeah, absolutely. 

Jess Gregory  

Nice. All right. Let's kind of switch gears a little bit. I just want to talk to you about success. So I'm sure you've had plenty of success over the years of coaching. I kind of want to hear your thoughts on whether you thought that was from the talent of the athletes or from the Mental Toughness and the mental side of the game.

Calaeb Campbell  

You know, I think the easy answer is right to say both right? Like, we want a mentally tough athlete that has super amounts of talent, right? Like, if we could blend the two, that would be phenomenal. But that's not the case for everybody. Um, you know, I have always my, my mom, even whenever we were young had always told us to work smarter, not harder, right. So that is kind of something that I instill in my athletes is going forward with every group that I've ever worked with. And so if I'm using that terminology, right, smarter, not harder, then the mindset, right, that mindset piece to me, I think plays a huge aspect into how we get our athletes to get the most out of their talent, if that makes sense to you. So, for me, I think that having a balanced mentality, a winning mindset, an athlete that understands like, Hey, I'm going to have bad days that comes with just being an athlete. It comes with being human. My talent can continue to make me rise above The other competition but I think it's kind of like a triangle, right that maybe has been divided into different levels as you're going up, like if two teams are competitively the same athletically like okay, there's got to be something else that's going to take that next team to the next level right so for me I think that that mentality that I that drive that want that desire, and it's a group that has been through some challenges and some adversity in my opinion personally will probably come out on top compared to somebody that just allows their talent to take over

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. Do you have any kind of stories about that that's ever happened with you were a team was you know on paper probably looked like maybe they were the underdog or they were even and then you know, they're just their drive kind of took over?

Calaeb Campbell  

I think you can kind of just you know, even think about not maybe me personally, but just like underdog stories that you see all the time, right? Like I think about i like i said i play basketball. I think about Loyola and men's basketball a couple years ago. You know, like they had some great talent, but I think that they just did a great job of understanding who they were, you know, and understanding that what they had across their shirt or whatever they had across the back of their jersey. That's what they were working for. They were all in golf and in charge of what they were working for in the in the locker room outside of the outside of the court. You know, so I think that if I were to directly kind of put that into a real life situation, that's immediately what comes to my head is like, just everybody understanding what the what the goal, what the outcome, the the journey that they're on completely together, and just really investing all of their time into that. So.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that sort of being from Chicago and living up here. We obviously, we're all cheering for Loyola, to go far. So um, but yeah, that also kind of makes me think about the roles of all of the kids on the team because not everyone's going to be a starter. Not everyone's going to be able to even be a sub, especially when you have large teams. I don't know how many you have on roster, but generally there's between 15 and 18 kids, and six can play. So. Yeah, kind of knowing your role and still being about the team and wanting everyone to do well, I think has a big part to do with that success as well.

Calaeb Campbell  

Absolutely, you know, at the beginning of the year, just like I'm sure a lot of programs do I, before we can actually get on the court, we sit down and talk about those roles. You know, I, you every athlete that I recruit or has been previously recruited for my program, they're there for a reason, you know, not everybody like you said is gonna come and be a starter every match. Maybe you're a reliever, maybe you're a cheerleader, you know what I'm saying? Like, there are different parts of a group or a team that can be facilitated or, you know, be a part of based upon just knowing your role and understanding how, how and what you bring to that group.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, everyone has a part in the team so they should, should roll with it. I know. It's hard. I know. It's hard when you're on the bench. is what it is. Alright, let's go Talk about some fun things. I think those those topics were a little heavy we were getting into it a bit, but um, I kinda want to know your Mount Rushmore of volleyball, which would be your top four all time favorite player.

Calaeb Campbell  

Yeah, whenever you sent me of course the email about it I was kind of just like tossing over like okay, you know, I'm 30 now like I've watched a lot of what I feel like is a lot of volleyball, you know, done some googling and looking to see what other people's opinions are. But the end of the day, it's about me right at this point. So if I were to kind of give you my top four, I'm Jordan Larsen, of course is in there will always be in there. I always remember watching her play and compete and just like I remember my sister just being like, hey, like, I just want to watch her because she's so good. And this is how I want to be. Kerri Walsh and Missy Mae, with the amazing things that they've done, you know, for both the indoor and the beach game, and just putting women's volleyball I feel like kind of out there on the map and making people want to just be a part of a sport that's continuing to grow. Then inky from Stanford a few years back, you know, she was, I don't know it for me, she's like the definition of a leader. She is someone that in the middle of championship games in the middle of hard competition is standing up encouraging her team wanting to be that person that continues to push them to the next level. So, for me, those are my four. There were definitely other people that were out there on the list that were like, I was like, having to like kind of push away but those would be the top four that for me that I think are huge contributors to our game.

Jess Gregory  

All right, I love it. I agree with all four. So those are pretty great. Next question, what is your favorite facility that you've ever played in? This could be anywhere, anytime.

Calaeb Campbell  

Um, it's, it's tough. You know, I think for me, I am kind of a homebody and appreciate where I got my start. I think that our facility at Tennessee Tech, where I played majority of My career and then also went and got my first you know, coaching gig was was the facility there is fantastic. It's it's a huge arena it's got the capability of feeling like a very warm and intimate environment. So, you know, I haven't really traveled anywhere that's close to the water that's close to the beach. You know, I haven't been to Pepperdine. I haven't been able to see that facility for for sure for itself. You know, our group we were really looking forward to this year we had a potential tournament for preseason up in Alaska. So I was eager to like get to go and travel there and kind of see the different different atmosphere there. But you know, I guess if I were to be honest with you, I would go back to home and say at the facility attack, so

Jess Gregory  

thanks. Hey, Anna, love that. Um, plus, if it was your home court facility, right. You're part of it plays a big role in that. Thanks. All right. Now next question is are exact top five. This is your one nomination for the greatest moments that you can remember. So hit me with it.

Calaeb Campbell  

Yeah, so this is from my second year coaching club. I had a small roster for one of our last tournaments it was of course getting down close to graduation and prom and people were pulled here people were pulled there so I went to a qualifier with eight kids on my roster Um, so at that time of course with a libero seven of them were playing I had one sub and two of my kids went down so I had six people that is it my libero ended up having to play outside we had split this was mind you I had all of my kids for the first two sets we were going into the third and my libero had to play outside all the way around and we ended up winning 15 to seven and the third set so for me, it's not anything crazy, but me being a libero in college and always understanding ball control. My kid that I'm talking about was like 54552 Tiny little kid we were playing against like six three people, athletes, and she just kind of made them look stupid if I was honest with you, so for me, like I said, because I'm a ball control person, I think it's awesome. Whenever what I call the littles get to be out there and make an impact in the game from that aspect.

Jess Gregory  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you're a smart player, you don't really have those balls, right? You just got to be smart about it.

Calaeb Campbell  

Absolutely.

Jess Gregory  

Awesome. How did the rest of that tournament go now I'm curious.

Calaeb Campbell  

on. So we were in that was championship day. I was on Sunday that wasn't in the silver brackets in the quarterfinals. So we made it to the semi finals match. And then last the the team that ended up winning So for us, we were, you know, at that time, it was 13th. I think 13th or 14th. Whenever I was coaching, so yes, when I say six to kids at 13 or 14, these kids were massive. And this I mean, for us, it was like a huge win. So we definitely Of course going in with eight feeling a little strange. Anyways, we counted that as a winner. win for us all weekend so

Jess Gregory  

yeah, absolutely love it. All right now on the flip side this is my favorite question was you're not top five this is a moment that was just kind of like what happened,

Calaeb Campbell  

right? Um, it actually happened this past year if I'm not mistaken. We were at a preseason tournament and one of my kids who was actually playing right side for me, I always got on to her because she never really in my opinion, tied her shoes tight enough, right. So we've all seen the one kid that like goes and falls in one shoe falls off. Well, this kid had when she falls off fall off as she's going to block in my center was back row. Of course she was transitioning up to set. She didn't notice at that time, of course, that one person like her the right side had her shoe off, goes to set her with one shoe off, the kid goes up and attacks the ball. Then the second shoe at that time decides to fly off. So as that shoo flies off, we're in the midst of this huge rally. My senators trying to get to the Boss, she notices the shoe and the floor, ball falls down knocks her in the head point goes over. So for me, it's not just one person without, you know, the shoe. It's somebody falling on the ground trying to set the ball. It was mass chaos, but honestly, I couldn't be mad. Everything that happened was exactly how it's supposed to be. I wish I can film but I don't think we're at a facility if we weren't at our home court, so I don't really have. Yeah, though. Yes. Two people down off of one shoe.

Jess Gregory  

I love it. I love it. Did you end up taping her shoes together or onto her feet after that? 

Calaeb Campbell  

Oh, that's what one of my kids wanted to do. She was literally waiting with tape from the training bag to like, do it but we I think we kind of encouraged her to understand where we're coming from with tightening up. I even threatened to get her those old school like spiral. She was just so that she wouldn't have to tie them. I was like, hey, like let's do something.

Jess Gregory  

I love it. Those are gonna be great to share. We'll see. We'll see how the viewers know You those when we add them up on the top five. I love it. That's a great story. All right, well, Caleb, I really enjoyed sitting down and getting to know you a little bit better since I have not met you yet. So this was kind of a fun way to get to know you and learn more about you as a coach. Um, hopefully we can get back out into the court soon, but if not, maybe we'll sit down and chat again, just for fun.

Calaeb Campbell  

Absolutely. I would love it.

Jess Gregory  

All right, perfect. All right. Well, you enjoy the rest of your day and we'll talk to you later.

Calaeb Campbell  

Sounds great. Thanks again.

Jess Gregory  

All right. Hang tight.

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